Auto Congratulation(basic fighter and healer tests)

[wangahrah]

raul is wise. well...at least, magnic was trying to magnanimous and be supportive of people. dont be so hard on the fellow.

[Maeght]

raul is wise. well...at least, magnic was trying to magnanimous and be supportive of people. dont be so hard on the fellow.

I don't think he's doing it maliciously, but look at his other recent macro submissions. They're ALL about automating social responses.

[wangahrah]

yes. he's automating social responses, in his mind to give himself the ability to remain more social, overcoming his typing deficiencies.

these are are very simple macros, and he's contributing to the community as best he can. not like he's breaking the game's social aspect at all, merely augmenting his perceived ability to communicate and sharing it with the rest of us.

[Skirwan]

I cleverly anticipated that argument and composed my response nine years ago. (Actually eight years and 364 days... Google groups says tomorrow's the anniversary. Creepy.)

There's a major difference between macroing and scripting. Macroing is a Good Thing(tm); it saves typing, and lets people participate in the world at a more reasonable speed than if they had to type out "/action waves." instead of just hitting cmd-w. (To use my favorite macro as an example)

Scripting is a Bad Thing(tm) - it separates the player from the character and the game, and almost invariably hurts the game environment in the process. People say again and again that social interaction is the heart and soul of CL's success - and scripting totally disrupts this social interaction. I for one prefer real people to Turing tests. (Well, I guess it depends on the people...)

Algernon is a cute idea. Insultus is a funny gag, at least for the first minute or so. But when every character in the game smiles when you /share, dances when you /thank, frowns when you /curse, etc, etc, etc, what's the point of playing a game with other humans? At that point the game isn't CL anymore, it's somewhere between Diablo without the items and a programming contest.

[Maeght]

yes. he's automating social responses, in his mind to give himself the ability to remain more social, overcoming his typing deficiencies.

these are are very simple macros, and he's contributing to the community as best he can. not like he's breaking the game's social aspect at all, merely augmenting his perceived ability to communicate and sharing it with the rest of us.

Wangah, even I have F3 mapped to /action waves. But you can be sure my /action waves are in response to something you did, whether you waved, said "hi" or just entered the screen.

Fixing the typing is one thing, automating responses is another.

[Raul]

I cleverly anticipated that argument and composed my response nine years ago. (Actually eight years and 364 days... Google groups says tomorrow's the anniversary. Creepy.)

There's a major difference between macroing and scripting. Macroing is a Good Thing(tm); it saves typing, and lets people participate in the world at a more reasonable speed than if they had to type out "/action waves." instead of just hitting cmd-w. (To use my favorite macro as an example)

Scripting is a Bad Thing(tm) - it separates the player from the character and the game, and almost invariably hurts the game environment in the process. People say again and again that social interaction is the heart and soul of CL's success - and scripting totally disrupts this social interaction. I for one prefer real people to Turing tests. (Well, I guess it depends on the people...)

Algernon is a cute idea. Insultus is a funny gag, at least for the first minute or so. But when every character in the game smiles when you /share, dances when you /thank, frowns when you /curse, etc, etc, etc, what's the point of playing a game with other humans? At that point the game isn't CL anymore, it's somewhere between Diablo without the items and a programming contest.

if he would have though congratulations to everyone when they passed anyways then there wouldnt be any difference besides response time
magnic made this macro because it was useful to him, and shared it in the hopes it would useful someone else too
not everyone can use a keyboard with little effort, and this is a good macro for those who have trouble using one

[Skirwan]

not everyone can use a keyboard with little effort, and this is a good macro for those who have trouble using one

And here's another macro that's good for people who have trouble using a keyboard:

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f3 "/think Congratulations!\r"


The difference with this macro is that it doesn't play for you while you're in the bathroom.

[wangahrah]

since when do i side with raul over other people? crazy world we live in. at least we all like farmville.

[Cinnamon]

not everyone can use a keyboard with little effort, and this is a good macro for those who have trouble using one

And here's another macro that's good for people who have trouble using a keyboard:

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f3 "/think Congratulations!\r"


The difference with this macro is that it doesn't play for you while you're in the bathroom.

Yep.

Understanding that Magnic must have a motor-control medical problem 2.5wpm must have a medical cause, I see the desire for being able to automate things.

If it's not a handicap, learn to touch-type, it's the most valuable skill anyone operating in the 20th century can have. It will add productive years to your life. Heck, playing CL increased my typing speed 20%. I'm no Kani, but I'm over 50wpm.

Apologies as your intent is in the right place. However, please take care that what you're automating isn't spam. That you're at least actively clicking when these are enabled. I get irked when sharing (usually a Mystic) there's a spam response of thanks. Really, you managed to type the thanks to me in under two seconds? Reeks of laziness, pandering and disingenousness.

[Raul]

f3 is a button on the keyboard, and there are only so many things you can bid to each one
incidentally f3 is already used by the windows client to search for text in the text log

[Alces]

...and f11 for the Advanced Options...and f12 for...something else I can't remember.

Yeah, the f-keys are a byatch on the Windows client, but I think they can be overridden with macros.

[Magnic]

man i cant type fast like that would take me 20 secons

3 seconds a letter? Geeze...

i have dyslexica, what do you want from me

yes. he's automating social responses, in his mind to give himself the ability to remain more social, overcoming his typing deficiencies.

these are are very simple macros, and he's contributing to the community as best he can. not like he's breaking the game's social aspect at all, merely augmenting his perceived ability to communicate and sharing it with the rest of us.

this guy gets it.

[Cinnamon]

@ Raul & Alces - you can overload any function key with a CL macro. Three or four times I think, F3, ctrlF3, altF3, shiftF3? Refer to the macro instructions for proper use.

All of my main characters use all the function keys for something other than the native Windows functions.



It's not that I'm unsympathetic to anyone's handicaps. For an allegory, using the reserved parking spot is not the same as driving down the middle of the road.

[noivad]

man i cant type fast like that would take me 20 secons

3 seconds a letter? Geeze...

i have dyslexica, what do you want from me

yes. he's automating social responses, in his mind to give himself the ability to remain more social, overcoming his typing deficiencies.

these are are very simple macros, and he's contributing to the community as best he can. not like he's breaking the game's social aspect at all, merely augmenting his perceived ability to communicate and sharing it with the rest of us.

this guy gets it.

I have no issue with automating some things, especially if you have a physical or mental impairment that slows down your typing. I would make the macro look more natural with a random pause of 6-20 frames, and/or caching the "grats" so it automatically gets put in your text field, then you just have to hit return. Or doing like Cinn and others suggested: popping it on a control-fkey. Would control-g work? (goes off to check)

control-g doesn't work but these do:

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"/gr" call Grats
shift-f3 call Grats

Grats
{
set xNumber @random
set xNumber % 20
if xNumber < 4
   set xNumber 6
end if
message "*Congratulations in " xNumber "/4 Seconds."
pause xNumber
random
"/think Excellent! Congratulations\r"
or
"/think Congrats!\r"
or
"/think Good Job!\r"
end random
}

[Magnic]

xnumber? ive never seen this...i would have if i did know this command